Today, we are joined by Neal Conlon to explore the role of mental fitness in our everyday lives. It would be hard to recreate Neal’s epic journey. From Marine veteran to experience in both the corporate and startup world, and now to the intersection of digital and physical trust and safety. He’s an entrepreneur, advisor, dad, and heavily bearded guy focused on mental fitness, resilience– and metaphysics.
Together, we discuss the incredible power of mental fitness and some important components of getting more mentally fit. We talk about Neal’s business Press Forward and how he approaches helping others to achieve self-improvement, and find purpose and direction, using the three cornerstones of Press Forward; mental fitness, metaphysics, and resilience. We also touch on the ways technology has brought positive change to humanity, the importance of appreciating its value, and how using technology as a tool can improve our health and lifestyle.
In this episode, you will hear:
- A veteran’s perspective on finding yourself after service
- How mental fitness can allow you to overcome any challenge
- The development and philosophy of Neal’s business, Press Forward
- How technology should be viewed and used as a tool
- Doing more in your life with less
- Appreciating the value that technology can bring to humanity
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Welcome to the healthier tech podcast, the show about building a healthier relationship with modern technology. Now here are your hosts, R blank and Stephanie Warner
R Blank 0:15
when it comes to practicing self mastery and becoming the best version of yourself, today’s guest Neil Conlon can not only help you find your inner voice, but will empower you to take the needed action steps to better yourself. Find your purpose, and stop the steps so many people are taking towards mediocrity. Let’s take a dive into health, wellness and a better you with today’s guest. Welcome, Neil Conlon to the healthier tech podcast.
Neal Conlon 0:40
Thanks for having me, guys. I really appreciate it.
R Blank 0:42
So before we get into the meat, just to start us off, I want to hear about your experience roasting coffee.
Neal Conlon 0:50
I love it go right for the beans pun intended. You know, I became fascinated with coffee for a long time, like I’m just a coffee drinker. But really the way that the coffee thing started was I started recognize how like lots of military veterans come out of the military, because I’m a military veteran, and have a hard time taking the uniform off. And I as somebody who when I got military, I was frustrated with the fact that I got out of the military because the civilian world didn’t have the camaraderie, the team building, the purpose, the mission, and I threw it in the closet and didn’t touch it for years. And then I finally kind of took it back out of the closet, metaphorically, of course, and then start to get invest at that point, I was already an entrepreneur doing all these things. And, and I really felt a lot of empathy for all these. They even call it venture printers now who come out of the military and create these veteran brands. And while I think it’s a very awesome, powerful thing, it’s like, in my head, how many more camouflage things do we need in the civilian world. Like, here’s a beer opener, that was a grenade, here’s a bullet, that’s a knife. Here’s a and it’s just like, I just couldn’t, I wanted to demonstrate how easy it is that with the right mindset, you can make a lot of money doing everything in anything. And so I love coffee, I reached out to a fellow veteran of mine, who was roasting coffee. And I said I this great idea. I want to create a white label coffee bean, that is veteran from end to end, I want to white label it with a non veteran brand, my own personal brand, which is pressed forward. And then for anytime a veteran wants to know how they can make money. I’ll give you the whole entire process for free. I’ll show you the Excel sheet, I’ll show you the cost, I’ll show you the margins, I’ll show you exactly how to do it. So you don’t have to build another crappy camouflage widget. And that’s how I started doing press for coffee. It was totally just like out of a need to help somebody else.
Stephanie Warner 3:05
That’s really amazing. Really amazing. My father is a veteran. So I appreciate that. I really appreciate the work that you’re doing to help support veterans and say, deal with civilian life and in really importantly, as enabling and empowering people, anyone and especially veterans to build their own businesses. I think that’s a I think that’s really admirable. And I appreciate that work. Thank you.
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Unknown Speaker 3:30
Thanks. It’s important.
Stephanie Warner 3:31
It is it is very important. Yeah. Sorry.
R Blank 3:35
No, that was cool. That was cool. So you brought up press forward. And I want to ask about that. But before just because most people will be listening to this not watching it. So they’re not really getting the same kind of full visual that Steph and I are getting right. So we’re looking at one of the most amazing beards on the planet, lots, lots of ink and a tremendous smile. And I feel like that whole vibe is infused in every piece of content of yours that I’ve the chance to see so far. How did you get into this world of mental fitness?
Neal Conlon 4:09
Yeah, you know, it’s been a journey. You know, the two, maybe three minutes version of it is, when I first came out of the military, I really struggle with my identity afterwards, right? You spend this duration of time, this great purpose, this great mission. And then when it’s over, it’s just done, right? That there’s not a lot of programs to help you mentally, emotionally, but they give you amazing skills, tactics, strategies, leadership principles, all this stuff. And little by little I kind of rebuilt my entire identity and was fully invested in becoming an entrepreneur and becoming successful and traveling all around the world. And I realized I built a whole bunch of muscles and skills that allowed me to be able to do these things that most people Well, the average person is probably just not capable of. And I just mean that from like, I’m not some superhero. I mean, most of it was, I was in the right place at the right time. And I had a little bit of background and resilience from the military, I’d been in some really uncomfortable places that the average citizen would buckle at. So when times get hard, most military veterans dig our feet in and do better, like we thrive well in chaos. And that served me well for a long time. But then ultimately, during peace times in military jargon, that’s when veterans military folks, we go crazy, like we don’t have a problem to solve, we don’t have a mission, or a purpose. And to be honest, and open and vulnerable. There’s a couple times in businesses where I kind of went off the rails, and I suffered for it. And people that I worked with suffered for it, my family suffered for it. And I did a whole for about five years, I did a whole bunch of personal development work mindset were spiritual work, metaphysical work. And when COVID came, I was like, super excited. And I actually went through a period of time where I was super guilty, like, May, June of 2020. When everything’s are closing down, people are missing money, people are missing the office, people are anxious. I mean, like, I was loving life, and I was feeling super guilty about it. And I was running these in person, men’s weekends, where guys could come and I would create a framework and a structure and a container, so that we can do some, you know, get out of your head work. And I start to realize, like, as I’m watching to paint your picture, like I’m watching all these guys who are, you know, heads of the household dads, fathers used to run into the office every day finding their identity in all these different things that are really struggling about it. And I was great. And I started really think about what it was that I was great. And they weren’t, it wasn’t my financial status. It wasn’t my relationship status. It wasn’t my health status. It was that I was more mentally fit at that point. And I really start to take that apart and build it into like, what is it that Neil has done, to make him so prepared for this thing. And this is where I started realized that it was, it’s not about mental health in itself, I think is a challenge because it actually implies you have a problem. Versus like, mental fitness. Like I say to a lot of people I work with nowadays. My girlfriend, my partner just finished running an Ironman. And last week in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, she does amazing job, train for a year for it. And what I thought was powerful, weird and funny about her running the Ironman, and she’s a very athletic woman, is that you can basically go to www dot Ironman training.com or whatever the website really is, and 35 weeks out, they will paint every calorie, every workout, every stretch, everything that you need to do in order for you to run an Ironman. You could be anybody. And so, so just take that further for a second. When I’m at the Ironman two weeks ago, in quarter lane, of course the top 100 people look like cyborgs. Right every month. $50,000 bikes, bikes go by us like, right. And people at swim are like dolphins, the runners, Road Runners, you’re like these people are superheroes. And that’s the top 100. Now 4000 People run this thing, there was a dude who was like 280 pounds, and like five foot eight. And dude just trucking along doing the Ironman. There was women in wheelchair devices doing the iron, like anybody can do the Ironman. It’s all about mental fitness. And it really is it’s about it really has taken me this full spectrum of like, for being in these turbulent times. It’s not about mental health, mental health is a crutch in my opinion. It becomes about Are you mentally fit enough to do the thing you want to do? And I’ve
R Blank 9:33
just got got to say you’re because when I was I was looking you up? I saw a video of you and I think it was from January 3 2020. And you’re talking about how excited you are for the year that’s coming. Like I looked at the date, I’m like, wow, I bet things didn’t play out quite the way he was expecting. And now to hear you talk about it on the other side like no, it was fantastic. You know, it really worked well. That’s not a perspective you hear you know spoken about out so openly these days about what happened in 2020. Before we get further on this, I think maybe this is a good time for if you could tell the listeners just a little bit about what press forward is and what it does.
Neal Conlon 10:15
Yeah. So the infancy of the press forward, as my personal brand is, I was struggling with this identity thing for years. And I had become pretty successful, done a whole bunch of things in startups, but was really like looking to like, still be like, what’s Neil’s thing? What’s this thing. And the beard, I didn’t have the beard as long didn’t have all the tattoos didn’t have the teeth. At that point, I think the way they look now. And I actually pay the company to go through a personal branding exercise. And they took me through this crazy, expensive interview, you take all these quizzes, you do all these things, they paint this big, huge PowerPoint 20 Page PowerPoint for you of your strengths and your weaknesses, and all these things. And they literally pulled me into a meeting after like six or seven meetings, flipped on the old PowerPoint deck on the screen, and we’re like, pressed forward. And then I took this deck around to a whole bunch of my friends and family. And everyone looked at it, they were like, Yeah, this is you. Why are you surprised? And I was like, Really, and they were like, this is you to a tee. And so it started off being pre COVID Being a men’s group, men’s community, whatever you want to call it, but weekly accountability calls, one on one coaching, then it morphed into press forward coffee and press forward merchandise, then a bunch of very strong women reached out and said, What about us. And so we then started press forward women’s so that we now have a press forward women’s accountability group and one on one coaching. And then it turned into retreats. And now here in September, we will have our first press forward in person conference.
R Blank 12:04
Oh, yeah. So I saw that coming up in September, what press forward into success is that?
Neal Conlon 12:09
Yeah, so it’s where it’s one of my kind of approaches to things is, I always think that everything that I do is always only about 80% Complete. And that 20% is me to learn because I always want to be a student. Like I don’t even consider myself a coach, I consider myself more of a facilitator. And so, press forwards framework initially started with kind of these five pillars, and that the five pillars were forgiving little military terms, first need to have some self integrity with yourself. Like you really got to have hard moments with yourself and realize what it is that’s holding you back from what you need to get to. To do that you need to have some accountability in your life. So you need to have an accountability partner, you got to report to somebody, a coach, a facilitator, buddy, whatever it is, that can be super uncomfortable. So you have to put yourself into uncomfortable circumstances. In order for you to do that. You will need to unpack your stuff, right, you got to dig into the backpack a little bit and realize like this thing that you’re holding on to may not serve you well. And the way that you do that, number five is through rituals, and ceremonies, we now call those things habits and routines. Now over time, it’s evolved over the past two years into boiling down to the three, what I call cornerstones of press forward now, which is mental fitness, metaphysics and resilience. And about two months ago, as I’m starting to work with all these different companies, I started to hear all these venture capital investors and private equity firms talking about how they’re going to basically hedge their bets and their startups. And so they’re pulling in all of these startups that I work with all these advisors, a bunch of startups, and every venture capital and private equity person’s like, All right, we’re predicting there’s gonna be a recession over the next 18 months. Do this with your hiring, do this with your accounting, do this with your bank accounts, do this with your people, you know, do this with your contracts. And I kept on picking up this pulse of like, what these companies are doing with the looming recession coming. And I feel felt really drawn to being like, you know, what, I have kind of a fiduciary responsibility to take all these things that I’m learning all the advice I’m doing with all these startups, and taking it not only to the men and women within my community, but also to other entrepreneurs, and business owners and stuff like that. And so over the course of a weekend, me and my team got to the point where it was like, Alright, now we’re going to take all this information, and we’re going to create a 3d A conference. And we’re going to show people how they can press forward into success, and how they can recession proof their business through mental fitness, metaphysics and resilience.
R Blank 15:12
So I, so I want to, I want to approach that from a slightly different angle here. So I understand that among your primary interests, right is science and technology. Is that fair? Yeah. So I was wondering, what about technology interests you? And does that interest relate to your work it with press forward?
Neal Conlon 15:34
1,000% The reason why I have this appreciation for curiosity, with tech, right, especially with our health, right. And, you know, when I first started to get into taking better care of myself, my body, and actually even going down the spiritual path, right, I started to learn, you know, I think a lot of people do this, right, we don’t have all the answers. And so we go in different directions. And then we learn spiritual stuff. And maybe we learned about plant medicine, or herbs, or botanicals and stuff like that. And I think that’s, that’s great, and powerful. And there’s so much technology, even in a lot of these plants, and how we use them. However, let’s just face it 1000s of years ago, the shaman didn’t have a whoop,
R Blank 16:28
more ring, I don’t,
Neal Conlon 16:30
this wasn’t measuring lactic acid in your system. The shaman, you know, wasn’t checking blood sugar, you know, like, so I walk very delicately on the intersection of like, we are on the brink of an amazing existence, where we can now take this information through the various different health technology stuff that we can, we can apply foundational technologies that were given to us holistically through the planet, and really do amazing things.
R Blank 17:05
So and So now, this is where I want to take it back. Because I think this relates directly to two of the three pillars you were talking about, right? Because you’re focused on mental fitness, and resilience. And based on my personal experience, and the interviews that Steph and I have done on this podcast, you know, we constantly see ways in which tech can help in a lot of a lot of ways where it can in particular harm, resilience and, and mental fit, right? I mean, we’ve used the term mental health, but in your case mental mental fitness. And I think that I just want to take a moment to kind of hone in on what you were just talking about, right? Because I think you’re getting to something that’s really kind of essential to the goal of this podcast, where I talking about this balance of where tech can help, and this over maybe over reliance or over focused on technology. Right? So how do you see that balance? Actually, you know, how do you see tech helping people? And how do you see not helping people? Where is that line? Or how do you go about even thinking about where that line is? Yeah,
Neal Conlon 18:06
I appreciate this. And I’ve been part of this conversation for quite some time, right? I’ve worked with numerous AI, chat, bot things, and vacations and all the things and I think it’s really, I mean, a piece of it is generational, just to be like, depending on where you fell in where tech hit and what you’re capable of. But there’s really like just a mindset to it. You know, like, there’s a mindset to, I’m trying to give a good example of ticket good real time example, I came home from Montana last night, flipped open My Computer this morning, and saw that my internet was broken, no internet at all. Routers read things on. And I’m just the way I operate is like, what’s the smart way to do this, and I immediately hop into a chat bot on my phone. The chat bot actually tells me to take a picture of the back of my router. And then you’ll realize that right the WAN LAN line and the DSL are all different colors and circles and the camera can actually pick up the colors and then told me what to do to troubleshoot the machine. And I literally was like, This is so impressive.
Unknown Speaker 19:22
This is I’m impressed. Right
Neal Conlon 19:25
now I share that because this is technology at the state of adoption. It took Verizon, dozens of iterations of that to get there and the iteration was first you got to remote caller, then you got somebody in India, then you got a chatbot that didn’t work, then you got a chatbot that didn’t work. Then you got to chat. And now you’ve got this thing. Right. And so I think like for people who don’t recognize it, like a lot of the jobs and services that that we have in our society are, were originally predicated on the ability for a human to do the same repetitious task over and over and over again. And we’re in this beautiful, amazing place where like, nobody should ever want, I’m gonna say something a little abrupt, nobody should ever want to be a cashier. Right? Now, if it was about hiring a 1718 year old person to learn basic job skills, so they can learn responsibility, integrity, and accountability. That was great in the 70s 80s and 90s. That time is very much gone. And I think we’re in this beautiful place where people now have the ability to use technology to as a tool, I always think about like to answer your question very directly, you should look at every piece of technology as this is just a tool to get me to do something better, quicker, faster, right? Even in the world of social media, like, I fundamentally took something that Gary Vaynerchuk taught me a long time ago, and I’ve lived with that my head is that everything that we put on social media, you are marketing, something that is the only thing social media does. So if you put candy crush on there all day long, or farm, yard or land or whatever, Farmville, Farmville, you’re just marketing or you’re just telling everybody what you’re doing all day long.
Unknown Speaker 21:30
That’s a good point.
R Blank 21:32
So it just tech, I mean, does do people’s relationship with tech, does that factor into your your coaching sessions, or into this press forward event coming up in September? Is that Is that something you focus on in terms of helping people achieve self improvement and a better version of themselves? Yeah,
Neal Conlon 21:49
I am a firm believer that the you can do much, much more than you ever could in your life with less these days. Right. And I think that using technology to do so, is amazing. And I think that, you know, I also think that with that, you know, comes this idea of great. And this is like a big huge challenge. I think for people once you become more efficient with the Fudgie do a lot of time. And I think that, I think that’s super important. So like, you know, for me, it’s a matter of like, find, then it allows you people who have never been able to find their purpose, people who have never been able to really take up hobbies, people who have never been able to explore something they actually love to do, because they’ve been too busy, you know, feeling that they have to live a certain way. Right? Like I recently even went through this experience, where my girlfriend asked me, if I could live anywhere in the world, where would I want to live? And I was so confused by this question. Because I’ve always lived right needed to live out of necessity. I’ve always lived close to my family close to my kids close to where the business is. I’ve never had been like, well, where would you live if you can live anywhere. And I think there are so many of us that just don’t have enough time in the day for us to even ask ourselves those questions. And so it and if you’re an entrepreneur, and you think that you need to hustle, grind, grind it out, you know, and get your kind of badge of courage and burn out just so you can realize that you shouldn’t have burned yourself out or that you didn’t have to burn yourself out in order for you to be successful. That’s not a badge of courage. I think people want to have any more. And I think that with people doing this great exodus of leaving the workplace, there’s nothing but opportunities for people to be healthier, and use technology so that they can work a hard day and also be healthy about
R Blank 23:56
it. That’s I liked that. I liked that perspective. Just wondering, now that you’ve thought about it a little do you know where in the world ideally you would want to
Neal Conlon 24:04
live? I am looking at Asheville, North Carolina at the moment. I very much like them. I like Asheville, and then ultimately once my kids are a little bit older, I think Costa Rica is in the future.
R Blank 24:20
Not bad. Yeah, Monteverde is pretty amazing place. Yeah. So Neil, I want to I really, this discussion has been really nice. The perspective you’ve you’ve given on these issues. I mean, the work that you do is great and I love learning about that. But the perspective you brought to this question that that I like asking in some form or another to everyone that comes on the show, I think that was a really it was a really it was an insightful and empowering your approach to these questions on on technology and in this case, mental fitness and resilience. I really enjoyed learning about this from you.
Neal Conlon 24:57
Yeah, I appreciate that. And you know, like, I think You know, in the health tech space, I think there’s just so much opportunity still, I mean, like, we’re, we’re learning so much about our bodies. And I think that I think, you know, the COVID thing just really opened up a whole different conversation about how, and what we need to do is take care of our bodies in meaningful ways. And, you know, everything from, you know, using what, you know, I don’t use what personally but I know many men in my community do, and they just swear by what they’re able to do. I ended up coaching a lot of athletes, you know, who are constantly using it for recovery phases like, like, again, we’re in a place where people are not only thinking about muscle, like the repetitions of doing exercise, but actually thinking about what’s the proper recovery time for things, right, which is something we never knew before. And while I don’t think there’s any people at the actual Ironman, you know, when I have run the New York City Marathon, in the past, you know, they’ve blind people now that can run the marathons where they wear these like glasses, things that have via a vibrating thing on their foreheads, that helps steer them into, you know, a heap on the course. And so, there’s this whole world that every time we figure out how to take somebody who used to have a disability, and now solve that problem for them, you realize that they’re actually more capable and more enabled, and probably the average person because they’ve had to train their senses. So now this person can see better or hear better than you engage better with more intentionally? Oh, yeah. And they can run marathons when you can’t do any of those three things. Like
Stephanie Warner 26:48
that’s a really interesting perspective. Right? We’re
R Blank 26:51
basically made from empowering to disempowering, Neil, pretty. Of course of two minutes here.
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Neal Conlon 26:58
Yeah. And the last one that I think is powerful that’s near and dear to my heart, is I’ve worked with a company in the past, that is a cybersecurity company. That is military veterans, mostly Marines, I think, and people with autism, and they use technology. And they have given autistic men, mostly, I think it’s full men, computers, and a whole bunch of other tools, all tech stuff, and they use them to chase pedophiles online, oh, and they can do it better than anyone else, they will reverse engineer scenarios online to track these people down. And so these people with disabilities are now able to do something that no one else can do. And I think that we’re now every single time, I know, it’s not health related. But I think about every single time that we learn how to take a disability, and correct it, we now have something that cannot be used holistically across the board for everybody else. And it’s a very, very powerful conversation for people who focus on healthy tech, because it just becomes endless what you can do.
R Blank 28:13
That’s, ya know, that I can, I can see where that branding company came in with the press forward Deck for you, like, I can see where this, this whole approach is coming to. I mean, it’s it’s innate in, you know, but I, those are great examples. And yeah, I mean, here on the healthier tech podcast, we, you know, we’d like to talk about issues about, you know, how tech might be not so great in our relationships with it. But it’s also really important to focus on the ways in which it’s improving our lives, because just to just talk about, you know, phones are ruining our lives, you know, it’s it’s simple minded. And it’s simple minded to the point of being wrong. But it’s also not helpful. It doesn’t recognize, I mean, Tech has done so much, obviously, to get society where it is today that you can’t just focus on on the harms it’s doing, you also have to appreciate the values that it’s creating, you know, across populations. And I think your examples were really illuminating.
Stephanie Warner 29:06
I agree. I think the you know, having the balance and not using it as a use it as a tool and not a crutch, even though you can look at as a crutch as a tool. But I think you understand what I mean. But I think that’s the important part of and a lot of the examples that you used is you’re showing these beautiful ways in which technology can make somebody more able. And we do talk a lot on this podcast about ways in which tech can be harmful, but I really love having you come in and sharing these these ways. And these these examples of the ways in which technology can be really, really helpful for humanity. But also, we have to be used as a foundation as a core and not not become reliant upon it to satisfy life and to you know, become too reliant.
Neal Conlon 29:58
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Reed, and for some of the high performer types that I coach and have in my community, you know, many of those people have done an amazing job at like streamlining and understand how to use the tech. Right. And it’s not so much about that satisfaction element, I think is something that people have to be careful of. Right now, there’s all kinds of hacks and tactics that I’ve seen employed. But like, I’ve seen people run their run their health. So in a such a granular level to where they have a Google Calendar of like, drink water at this point, take vitamins at this point, go for a walk at this point, go to my exercise, at this point, take this supplement at this point, and have reminders in place so I can do these things. Whereas the average person will just go and spend 70 $80, on a supplement, throw in the cabinet spend $100 on the gym membership, and then neither do anything with either, you know?
Stephanie Warner 31:04
Do you find that? You know, I like that example? And do you find though that sometimes too much information like that can actually be like paralysis, or perhaps you over manage your like each little level to the point where you’re not necessarily being more healthy? Have you seen that other side of, of managing your health to that such a micro level?
Neal Conlon 31:26
Well, I love this question. You know, even with, for example, a lot of the work that I’ve done in the world of plant medicine, right? There’s this renaissance of plant medicine coming forward with really great treatments around psilocybin and ketamine and San Pedro cactus and even Ayahuasca it be, I think we’re at the intersection of defining the differences between what’s a crutch? And what is scaffolding for you changing the foundation of what you were taught. And just to expound on that for a second. It’s like, what people in my work, what I’ve started to pay attention to is that the different parts of our brain that create addiction, it’s not like they were everything in our bodies put there on purpose for a reason. And so this addiction mechanism is part of us. And I think that there is meant there is a whole different podcast we can do on why it’s there. But I’ve paid close enough attention to it to recognize that there’s that crunchiness, right. The reason why I’m doing the thing is because I don’t have any other thing to do. So I’ll do the thing, right, which turns into smoking, drinking opioids, right? It’s the intention, I got nothing better to do so might as well get high or overeat, or whatever the thing is. Now, I think we’re at this evolution, though, where with technology, right, give me some data, some analytics or report a notification, and a purpose that we can now take that feeling that sometimes could feel crunchy, and then turn it into scaffolding or training wheels, that then once i Master how to work with this thing, like my schedule being wrapped around my health, not my business, or a new supplement, or exercise routine that gets me to operate a certain way to prepare for a race. I can then take the scaffolding off of the foundation. Because now through consistency, I’ve now created a new repetition. And I now have a new routine in place. I will carry forward. Yeah, I
Stephanie Warner 33:39
completely understand I really liked the scaffolding. Better than training wheels for scaffolding that makes that makes a lot of sense. It definitely does. Thank you.
R Blank 33:48
Sunil that you’ve been super, super generous with your time and I really appreciate you coming on the healthier tech podcast before we say goodbye. Where would you like our listeners to go find and learn more about you?
Neal Conlon 34:01
Yeah, so on social media, my handles are at I am Neil Conlon and EALCON Ello en, or you can check out my website at WWW dot Niall. common.com.
R Blank 34:15
Excellent. We’ll put all of that in the show notes. Yeah, again, man. Thank you so much. This has been a great conversation. You’ve been super generous with your time and I appreciate you making time right after
Neal Conlon 34:24
a flight. Yeah, thank you both for doing this as well. And I apologize for being late.
R Blank 34:30
Our listeners wouldn’t have just said.
Stephanie Warner 34:35
Well, thank you for giving us extra time so that we got a bonus. Awesome.
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